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Offline Malekith

Stealth
« on: November 20, 2007, 01:32:23 pm »
I think the coding for it should be messed with, due to the fact that if you have 400 stealth, and a monster has 300 scan (or less) it will spot, even just one monster... Brigands have scan of about 50, and i have a stealth of 300, but a group of 10 of em can spot me withing 2 seconds, where as with missile defence, (when brigands had a missile attack of 50) you would evade every shot with 300 missile def, even with mob effect...

Just wish to make it more equil than it is at the moment between stealth and defenses, as at the moment, stealth is only used for ofscreen killing and to hide from monsters and run FAST... where as i imagen it being more sneaking up and stabing something hard... Which you have no chance in hell of doing at the moment in time...
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Offline Zodiak

Stealth
« Reply #1 on: November 20, 2007, 01:36:00 pm »
Mob effect, though stealth damage bonus would be more interesting then.. but if you make it either too impossible it will get over used then you'll have 900 people walking around in stealth not being scanned at all
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Offline Malekith

Stealth
« Reply #2 on: November 20, 2007, 01:42:38 pm »
Yeh but at the moment, if even if the monster has 200 scan less than your stealth, it has a 50/50 chance of scanning you... I have been scanned by monsters with 100 scan, even though there was just 1 or 2 of them, and my stealth was 400... it just sucks how easy it is to scan...
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Offline Revolution

Stealth
« Reply #3 on: November 20, 2007, 02:14:11 pm »
Yeah, but with players, you can scan with 75 scan or more to their stealth.

400 stealth = 325 scan or more needed.

I also hate the skill determination... WHY IN THE HELL would you need intelligence for stealthing?  It should be quick + dex /3.  Quickness so you can't be seen.  Dexterity to be able to stay in stealth...
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Offline Malekith

Stealth
« Reply #4 on: November 20, 2007, 02:18:00 pm »
Being stealthy isnt about being quick, its about bein able to bend into spaces... and also being smart enough (aka intelligence...) enough to know when to move, when to stop, where to place your feet... etc...
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Offline Light Elf

Stealth
« Reply #5 on: November 20, 2007, 02:18:09 pm »
Quote from: Revolution
Yeah, but with players, you can scan with 75 scan or more to their stealth.

400 stealth = 325 scan or more needed.

I also hate the skill determination... WHY IN THE HELL would you need intelligence for stealthing?  It should be quick + dex /3.  Quickness so you can't be seen.  Dexterity to be able to stay in stealth...

originally it was dex quick but that gave daggers and throwers MASSIVE stealth since those are their base attributes then came str dex based people and mages were being left out, so it was made dex int to satisfy all fighters equally since there is no dex int attack and all attacks have either dex or int as a base attribute.
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Offline Revolution

Stealth
« Reply #6 on: November 20, 2007, 03:12:42 pm »
Quote from: Malekith
Being stealthy isnt about being quick, its about bein able to bend into spaces... and also being smart enough (aka intelligence...) enough to know when to move, when to stop, where to place your feet... etc...
You would also need to be quick.  Say you were hiding... you wouldn't need to know how to hide if you were almost spotted.  You would have to be quick enough to get out of their field of view before spotted.  It'd be better if it was dex + quick + int /3 or /4
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Offline Trivium

Stealth
« Reply #7 on: November 20, 2007, 03:31:34 pm »
Scan is too tigering easy to train compared to stealth, and people have naturally high scan because of the attributes it takes.
Scan should not be trained by default.
Stealth, if remaining how it is right now, should be dropped to 5 points.
Vampire Blood can go tiger RIGHT off a cliff.
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Offline Revolution

Stealth
« Reply #8 on: November 20, 2007, 03:47:08 pm »
LOL!  I don't get the "Stealth, if remaining how it is right now, should be dropped to 5 points." thingy.
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Offline Trivium

Stealth
« Reply #9 on: November 20, 2007, 03:55:32 pm »
If it's still Dex/Intel, if scan is still trained by default, if scan is still so easy to train
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Offline Mack the Blacksmith

Stealth
« Reply #10 on: November 20, 2007, 04:55:16 pm »
dex X int -str / wisdom + Quick

270 attrib points.

say:

Dex: 90

Int: 50

Str: 50    

Quick: 60

Wisdom: 10

Life: 70


90 X 50 - 50 / 10 + 60


90 X 50 -50/10 + 60 = 4500 - 5 + 60

4555 Stealth. Perfect Equation.
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Offline Zodiak

Stealth
« Reply #11 on: November 20, 2007, 05:02:04 pm »
If you have nothing to contribute worth hearing, dont bother wasting your time on posting it..
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Offline Mack the Blacksmith

Stealth
« Reply #12 on: November 20, 2007, 05:07:44 pm »
it is THE BEST equation for stealth.
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Offline Zodiak

Stealth
« Reply #13 on: November 20, 2007, 05:11:18 pm »
Why would..

1. Lower your Stealth, that doesnt make any sense..

2. Quickness has nothing to do with Stealth, just cause your fast, doesnt make you stealthy..

Leaving Wisdom Dex and Intel..

3. Wisdom, just cause if a mage went with it, they would have an upper hand, plus its more intelligent to go with intelligence.. some of us would know that..
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Offline Pirate Wings

Stealth
« Reply #14 on: November 20, 2007, 11:46:10 pm »
Why not just make stealth raise +1 for each stat you add and have.
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Offline Komodo

Stealth
« Reply #15 on: November 21, 2007, 02:26:11 am »
Stealth definitely does need to be fixed.  Not to the point that it's impossible to scan... just so I'm not being seen by every tigering monster even 200 scan below my stealth every other time.
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Offline King Dravien

Stealth
« Reply #16 on: November 21, 2007, 06:28:52 am »
Quote from: Wings
Why not just make stealth raise +1 for each stat you add and have.

If you mean like attributes, no, I'd have well over 1k stealth on my staff guy... lol
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Stealth
« Reply #17 on: November 21, 2007, 06:57:20 am »
You guys do know that stealth gets a bonus at night and has a penalty during the day
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Offline Malekith

Stealth
« Reply #18 on: November 21, 2007, 07:04:14 am »
only of +/-25 to 50
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Offline Zodiak

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« Reply #19 on: November 21, 2007, 08:38:26 am »
How about.. we leave it as is.. and fix the mob effect?! lol
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