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Isn't weapon speed the DELAY between attacks? It looks like you're saying that if it gets faster you should have more base damage per hit, but it should be the other way around.

Here's an alternate idea: Make it so you can only touch karma every so often. Maybe three times per hour, or three times per day.

Quote from: Tokoshoran on June 21, 2012, 10:53:18 pm

Quote from: Greatest on June 20, 2012, 04:07:01 pm

granted you can't move as fast backwards as you can forward, but its still more effective than turning around unless you really need to run away from something!

Actually, the force of kicking the ground when running backwards seems to push me faster than when I go forwards, but it may be a skill that's mine alone.

I imagine with less control..

Insomuch as I can't turn while airborne, sure. My feet hit the ground often though and I can turn efficiently. I just can't see where I'm going is all.

Edit: "Often" being more frequently than forward running.

As for 'sliders', maybe different mantra-segments can be spoken at different 'volumes.' Just muter the greater string and announce the fire string, it's slightly stronger than normal. This would be kind of confusing, but I guess it could be done.

As far as a limit on mantra strings goes, I'd say you can use each string once per spell. You may be able to find the 'same' mantra slip at a different grade that somehow lets you use it again, but I think it'd work best to have different strings with the exact same effect. Igi and Fir could both be fire, for example. Sup-igi-fir would be a level 3 fire spell.

Your final paragraph seems to say that mantras are used only in spellmaking, not casting... And I suppose that makes sense. It's not really a true mantra system, but neither was premade strings. Locating "Super rune" "mantras" to make different or stronger spells could still be done, and it could be done that the mantra is gone once you make a spell out of it, giving reason to stock multiples.

What would you suggest in the way of mantras? I'm not really familiar with that concept.

Right, let's flesh out an example list here:
Beaiigi: Warmth self.
Benuigi: Warmth other.

Take a look at those, and you'll notice they both have "Be--igi". That means one of those is "Good" and one is "Fire." Ai is self, and Nu is other. Be, in this case, is the Beneficial, and igi is the classic fire.

Of course, having two-letter strings would probably be a bad idea, since it can result in strings of short-strings that spell out something in three-letter strings if you don't choose the lettering of it all very carfully.

The mantras clearly follow the rune idea, only less ordered, less varied, etc. You would have a lower amount of strings, though tying them together can result in interesting things.

Ma-be-nu-igi, under the assumption that Ma is Malicious, for example: what would this do? Maybe it's a cauterizing effect--burn out a wound or debuff at the cost of health.

Negigi: If Neg is Negative/Anti, this results in the opposite effect than fire, which, under logic would be water or ice, though on a magic wheel it could be something else. Or maybe negative does the opposite logic effect instead of magic.

Say the opposite is water, and aqu is water. Aqu-neg-igi would result in a double-strength water spell. Why would you want to do this? Because AquAqu might do something entirely different. Manuaqu might punch the enemy with water, and Manuaqunegigi punch them even harder, but manuaquaqu could instead punch them at level one strength with a knockback.

Additionally, using the same mantra could result in an exponential cost increase. If Aqu and Igi cost 3, and Neg costs 1, AquAqu could cost 9, whereas AquNegIgi costs 7. With this logic, even if AquAqu is the same as AquNegIgi, it's cheaper to use Aqunegigi. AquAquAqu would cost 27, AquAquNegIgi 13, and AquNegIgiNegIgi also 13. (If Neg was more than 1, then it would cost more than only having one neg)

Um, wow. Cooling something down to temper it is only done to GLASS. With metal, you only heat it up again, and let it cool down over time, not rapidly force it to.

Besides, like I said before, you will be losing your elemental traits with antipodes. Maybe they can just create a new spell when put together. Perhaps that's how you would get the nova-/hero- type spells? Hot-cold pads are used to help sooth muscles, after all, so a benificial water-fire spell could be Hero, whereas a malicious one would be Nova.

Antipodal elements might sound like they'd cancel each other out, but in video games it's actually usually represented as strengthening one another. Fire and Ice causes "non-elemental damage" in Chrono Trigger, for example, and in Castlevania: Order of Ecclasia, using Light and Dark together results in the ultimate attack (Other than the suicide one) that makes ANY non-Dracula boss easily beaten, if you have enough hearts to use it repeatedly.

I don't like the wheel posted above, the element list sucks. Offense intended. Spirit vs Lightning? How does that make sense?
           Energy
     Wind        Fire
Poison              Spirit
    Water       Earth
          Physical

Yeah, I'm lobbing Physical onto that list. Physical and Energy aren't really the friend/dissapointment of any of the other elements, but they do keep it a complete wheel rather than a wheel and a bar. Physical magic on its own is stuff like "harm", whereas Energy ties into Lightning.

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I like the idea of mantras. I remember a SNES game where all the spells you had, you wrote yourself, based on mantras (You would start with a few to hint you as to what mantras do what). You would find books as you went on that told you new mantras, but different characters would start with certain elements--Igi for fire, Aqu for water, etc. Then, there were mantras for "Stronger" and "Weaker" (Weaker was good to lessen the mana cost of a predefined expensive mantra--elements had more than one mantra each and you'd sometimes want to go past level "1+" but can't afford 2 yet).

Of course, if you already knew some of the secret spells and the weaken mantras, you could type them in from the getgo and cast super-magic, so the idea of needing to find that mantra first is good.

Or you could have luck only add one per every 10 luck. Then, it would be more worth your time to focus on the primary attributes, and get luck once you can afford ten points in it at the same (or cheaper) cost as one point of the attribute.

I like the way Crossfire does it--You immediately move to the next space, but your sprite changes to represent stepping forward-feet together-other foot forward as you keep moving.

If you are going to stick with the movement from this tile to the next being seen in action, I do hope the run skill improves how fast the guy does it.

didn't someone bring up luck before?  theres already a luck factor involved in every game, random number generators give a chance to hit or miss, random amounts for damage and gold drops, whether items are dropped when you die or what not...

if you turn it into an actual attribute, then its not luck, its an attribute.  we have attributes for most stuff I like having luck actually being luck!

From what I read he was suggesting it just be another bulb--By default, it's at 0. Your luck as a player effects the character's luck. Wearing a lucky charm would boost in, or unlucky charms lower it. It's not something you would modify with your experience, and as soon as you lose your charms, it goes back to 0, instantly.