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Title: Start a new smaller, more stable, V3 world?
Post by: Mickey Kudlo on October 30, 2017, 03:00:34 pm
I am willing and able (time wise) to start a new smaller V3 world. Like 1000x1000 instead of 2000x2000.

Create Tasks:

Ugh, the whole jewelry needs a rework plus magic. Having a month off helped so maybe I can get back into V3. Need to think about it.
Title: Re: Start a new smaller, more stable, V3 world?
Post by: maerrigan on October 30, 2017, 03:45:17 pm
Yay!
Title: Re: Start a new smaller, more stable, V3 world?
Post by: Kaios on October 30, 2017, 06:50:26 pm
Yes, except for the worms.
Title: Re: Start a new smaller, more stable, V3 world?
Post by: Greatest on October 31, 2017, 02:22:57 am
Yes, except for the worms.
that!
Title: Re: Start a new smaller, more stable, V3 world?
Post by: Gimpy on November 02, 2017, 07:00:13 am
I would be okay with really any of those options.
Title: Re: Start a new smaller, more stable, V3 world?
Post by: Pokemon Steve on November 02, 2017, 10:12:52 am
no, just release the source code
Title: Re: Start a new smaller, more stable, V3 world?
Post by: Zerlot on November 02, 2017, 02:55:33 pm
I'm ready!
Title: Re: Start a new smaller, more stable, V3 world?
Post by: Greatest on November 02, 2017, 07:12:31 pm
no, just release the source code
he released the server files, but I'll say again the same thing I said last time you came around asking for source:
@Pokemon Steve: if you're only here to get the source code so you can make your own game, please go away!
I mean honestly over half your post are asking for the source code for this game(you've made 8 this year 5 ask for source code or open sourcing)...if you spent half the time writing code that you do asking for it(and you're not a complete moron) you could probably write a half decent game engine!
Title: Re: Start a new smaller, more stable, V3 world?
Post by: Zerlot on November 04, 2017, 05:07:56 pm
I don't think I can try connecting to the V3 Upira server anymore. :/ Every time I try to log in, I get as far as the loading screen. Too bad, I wish I could play this game againnn!!! I miss it :/ Been playing it since 2001.
Title: Re: Start a new smaller, more stable, V3 world?
Post by: Kaios on November 05, 2017, 05:08:17 pm
You could give this game a try if you really want to play something, I've been playing it a bit myself on the US East server: http://www.mysteralegacy.com (http://www.mysteralegacy.com)

It's similar to rpgwo in a lot of ways although it's a bit hardcore since it's a full pvp game with house looting so some people may not be interested in that. It has some interesting features.
Title: Re: Start a new smaller, more stable, V3 world?
Post by: Flambelk on November 09, 2017, 06:48:24 am
A V1 RPGWO server would be cool, if it it was well made.

I am playing myself RPGMO (http://rpg.mo.ee/), it's got a friendly community.
Title: Re: Start a new smaller, more stable, V3 world?
Post by: Greatest on November 09, 2017, 07:15:02 am
I think Mickey may have forgotten about us...

A V1 RPGWO server would be cool, if it it was well made.

I am playing myself RPGMO (http://rpg.mo.ee/), it's got a friendly community.
V1?  seriously? 

I've tried Mo, it does have a large friendly community, but you're also really limited in what you can do there.  I'm always a crafter, but there to be a crafter you have to be a better fighter since you can't get to resource gathering areas unless you can kill the monsters along the way.
Title: Re: Start a new smaller, more stable, V3 world?
Post by: Flambelk on November 09, 2017, 09:44:34 am
V1?  seriously? 

I've tried Mo, it does have a large friendly community, but you're also really limited in what you can do there.  I'm always a crafter, but there to be a crafter you have to be a better fighter since you can't get to resource gathering areas unless you can kill the monsters along the way.
Steeltide was V1? Wasn't it?

Throughout the years I came to realize the enjoyability of RPGWO was in  being a laid-back game with a friendly community, that's what people sought in it. Most players didn't play RPGWO for its graphics, for hardcore PVP nor for grinding levels endlessly.

RPGWO was just a cool place to chill and have a break.
Building your land, planting crops, making pots and runes, while chatting with people.

IMO some of the people who ran servers lost sight of that, and the game eventually died.
Title: Re: Start a new smaller, more stable, V3 world?
Post by: Mickey Kudlo on November 10, 2017, 01:02:56 pm
I think Mickey may have forgotten about us...

I haven't forgotten. Just busy with this and that and keeping eye on this thread.

Want to open something, like December 1st.

Here is my To Do List (a + next to it means it is done/ready):

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- 1000 x 1000 world
 - map creation : just keep trying until a decent one shows up
 - increase depth

- center start town
 - mule trader
 - player trader
 - player trader area

- spiral out wilderness spawns, all underground levels too
 + scripts made

+ remove Evasion, bring melee def and missile def back
 + treasure, potions

- adjust starting skill points???

+ scale out mining to step 75

- scale out BS to 75 step instead of 50
 + tin
 + bronze
 + cobalt
 + iron
 + ebony
 + cinnabar
 + titanium
 - hessite
 - tungsten
 - mithril
 - damon ???


- weapon/armor arming skill requirements increase to step 75
 + UA
 + dagger
 + sword
 + axe
 + mace
 + spear
 + staff
 + flail
 + scythe
 - sheild
 + bow
 + crossbow
 + throwing
 + wands

- rebalance weapon ratings, spread out, make same speed/burden ??? Can do after open

+ mining - add more metal ores, can add BS for them later "Future Ore I"

- jewelry rework
 - add the V6 gems
 - scale out skill to step 75

- magic changes
 - blank runes made by BS
 - rune drawing done by magic user, but can only copy what they have
 - rune wear out less or not at all
 - crafting uses highest magic skill
 - runes dropped by monsters and treasure
 - runes can be researched costing mana, 1000?
 - spell runes auto mixed on creation, in magic.ini use rune meaning (fire, ice, self, other, level 2, etc) and let server assign a rune to that meaning

- alchemy - scale out potions 75 step

+ remove floating map making

- better metal tools reduce stamina use, not boost skill, Can do after open

- reduce tame reproducing going wild, maybe require feeding? maybe add mutant born un-tames that kill kill kill

- maze quest type ???

- room/halls quest type ???

- scramble runes

- increase number of allowed players per client???  (For me, I like to play all kinds of player types, so more is better)
Title: Re: Start a new smaller, more stable, V3 world?
Post by: mechanical keyboard enthusiast on November 10, 2017, 05:58:13 pm
consider opening on a friday afternoon or something so maximum number of people can play together, causing more activity.

map creation: how viable is building on water / having a house totally on water? actually curious. would like to live in the ocean and grow seaweed


i'm not on drugs
Title: Re: Start a new smaller, more stable, V3 world?
Post by: mechanical keyboard enthusiast on November 10, 2017, 06:09:24 pm
also, can we prevent first-comers from emptying npcs of gold?
Title: Re: Start a new smaller, more stable, V3 world?
Post by: Greatest on November 10, 2017, 07:32:49 pm
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- rune drawing done by magic user, but can only copy what they have
 - rune wear out less or not at all
 - crafting uses highest magic skill
 - runes dropped by monsters and treasure
 - runes can be researched costing mana, 1000?
if we can only make runes we have, and researching takes more mana than I think anyone has ever had, what is the point?  researching should be 50 at most(and high chance to fail).  another method might use 2 runes a player already has(destroying both) to possibly get a third, but both of these methods would take a lot of weird coding

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- reduce tame reproducing going wild, maybe require feeding? maybe add mutant born un-tames that kill kill kill
last time I was working on server files(I gave up) I turned farm animals into items instead of monsters.  different usages on different animals to get them fed/fat/ready to reproduce...seemed like a fun idea if you want to try it.

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- increase number of allowed players per client???  (For me, I like to play all kinds of player types, so more is better)
there is no point in a person trying to play as a crafter if every fighter has a second or fifth character to make equipment.  please limit to 1, and not allow multiple accounts like you did on Upira.

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"Future Ore I"
if you seriously name it that, I will find you in game and pk you! :P
Title: Re: Start a new smaller, more stable, V3 world?
Post by: Greatest on November 10, 2017, 07:37:21 pm
@Raikaria: water is usually flat land, so it easy to build anything...you can also plow and plant there but plants die once fully grown if not harvested quickly(planting underground gets around that).  the only issue I've ever had with building on water was stealthed water monsters.
Title: Re: Start a new smaller, more stable, V3 world?
Post by: Pepin on November 14, 2017, 09:17:40 pm
10 character slots pls
Title: Re: Start a new smaller, more stable, V3 world?
Post by: mechanical keyboard enthusiast on November 17, 2017, 03:03:19 pm
When ready?
Title: Re: Start a new smaller, more stable, V3 world?
Post by: Zerlot on November 17, 2017, 08:14:40 pm
V1?  seriously? 

I've tried Mo, it does have a large friendly community, but you're also really limited in what you can do there.  I'm always a crafter, but there to be a crafter you have to be a better fighter since you can't get to resource gathering areas unless you can kill the monsters along the way.
Steeltide was V1? Wasn't it?

Throughout the years I came to realize the enjoyability of RPGWO was in  being a laid-back game with a friendly community, that's what people sought in it. Most players didn't play RPGWO for its graphics, for hardcore PVP nor for grinding levels endlessly.

RPGWO was just a cool place to chill and have a break.
Building your land, planting crops, making pots and runes, while chatting with people.

IMO some of the people who ran servers lost sight of that, and the game eventually died.

I can vouch for that. One of my fondest memories was hanging out with some buddies in a player-created bar with everyone chatting and having so much alcohol. Needless to say, we all drank to the point of passing out and I thought that Grayvyns were attacking us in our weakened states.

Ah, the good times....
Title: Re: Start a new smaller, more stable, V3 world?
Post by: mechanical keyboard enthusiast on November 24, 2017, 02:14:15 pm
please, i need rpgwo to play this holiday :(
Title: Re: Start a new smaller, more stable, V3 world?
Post by: Mickey Kudlo on November 26, 2017, 09:32:26 pm
Got sick with cold/flu and got knocked out for a few weeks. Getting back into things. Hoping to open something early December.
Title: Re: Start a new smaller, more stable, V3 world?
Post by: Greatest on December 01, 2017, 03:51:17 pm
december 1st...am I too impatient?
Title: Re: Start a new smaller, more stable, V3 world?
Post by: mechanical keyboard enthusiast on December 01, 2017, 04:03:46 pm
no
Title: Re: Start a new smaller, more stable, V3 world?
Post by: Firefox on December 01, 2017, 10:59:48 pm
12/1/17. Fooled again.
Title: Re: Start a new smaller, more stable, V3 world?
Post by: Mickey Kudlo on December 05, 2017, 01:25:40 pm
Got most of the content changes done that I wanted to do.
Working on creating a map and hopefully open this Friday.
Title: Re: Start a new smaller, more stable, V3 world?
Post by: Jaster_reylu on December 07, 2017, 09:25:53 am
Also add to ur todo list....remove /topten
Title: Re: Start a new smaller, more stable, V3 world?
Post by: Gimpy on December 07, 2017, 07:24:57 pm
If i had an opinion and it had any value, witch im sure it dont. Then i would say open one with v2 files like hex  original. So people have a nice finish product that you dont have to put any effort into. Other then v3 interfect stuff ect.
Title: Re: Start a new smaller, more stable, V3 world?
Post by: Jaster_reylu on December 08, 2017, 01:16:37 pm
Got most of the content changes done that I wanted to do.
Working on creating a map and hopefully open this Friday.


its friday.

whats up?
Title: Re: Start a new smaller, more stable, V3 world?
Post by: mechanical keyboard enthusiast on December 08, 2017, 02:20:25 pm
he has work m-f

friday night pacific time most likely, i am very excitd, have not play v3 before but would love a partner
 (ideally one that watches anime so we can watch anime while grinding ingame)
Title: Re: Start a new smaller, more stable, V3 world?
Post by: Greatest on December 08, 2017, 05:38:01 pm
I've been home all day with a cold, you can't want this more than me!
Title: Re: Start a new smaller, more stable, V3 world?
Post by: Lofticus on December 08, 2017, 06:49:10 pm
Open it up, Mickey!
Title: Re: Start a new smaller, more stable, V3 world?
Post by: Mickey Kudlo on December 08, 2017, 06:58:47 pm
NOW OPEN!
Title: Re: Start a new smaller, more stable, V3 world?
Post by: Greatest on December 08, 2017, 09:45:22 pm
copper jewelry doesn't work, and you still didn't add a way to drink wine.
Title: Re: Start a new smaller, more stable, V3 world?
Post by: Mickey Kudlo on December 09, 2017, 01:03:53 am
Can you be more specific about copper jewelry?
Title: Re: Start a new smaller, more stable, V3 world?
Post by: Lofticus on December 09, 2017, 01:39:09 am
When you attempt to use a raw gem (turquouse or garnet) on either blank copper bracelet, necklace, or ring you get this error: The target item cannot be given a skill bonus
Title: Re: Start a new smaller, more stable, V3 world?
Post by: Pepin on December 09, 2017, 09:25:26 am
Mickey can't even setup a small world without breaking it.
Title: Re: Start a new smaller, more stable, V3 world?
Post by: Zodiak on December 09, 2017, 09:36:49 am
Have you tried turning it off and on again?
Title: Re: Start a new smaller, more stable, V3 world?
Post by: Aero on December 12, 2017, 02:45:53 am
Alchemy changes seem kinda meh. I don't really care for having to use minerals to make potions now but I can live with it. But level 1 potions seem really weak. Only 5 skill bonus and only last for 5 minutes.

Also doesn't seem like anyone can figure out what makes level 2 potions. I've got almost everything level 1 made but yet to figure out level 2. Any hints?
Title: Re: Start a new smaller, more stable, V3 world?
Post by: north star on December 12, 2017, 05:10:22 am
Did you try using them on themselves? I have no idea sorry. Usages should say
Title: Re: Start a new smaller, more stable, V3 world?
Post by: Mickey Kudlo on December 12, 2017, 12:01:27 pm
@Aero about alchemy.

The alchemy changes have been in for half a year now. Yes, it is a challenge. Before, too easy. There are 10 levels of potions, so yeah level 1 isn't the best. Mix an organic (not rose or shroom) with a Level 1 to get level 2, etc. Organics can be used repeatedly.
Title: Re: Start a new smaller, more stable, V3 world?
Post by: Gimpy on December 12, 2017, 12:13:08 pm
Please add multi usage, tuck me 3 solid weeks before to make 500 all lvl 10s of the needed pots. Maybe closer to a month actually.
Title: Re: Start a new smaller, more stable, V3 world?
Post by: Mickey Kudlo on December 12, 2017, 01:15:15 pm
Please add multi usage, tuck me 3 solid weeks before to make 500 all lvl 10s of the needed pots. Maybe closer to a month actually.

Can't unless I do some coding. The potion recipes are all dynamic. These is no usage setup for it so a multi-use can't do it since the recipes are not hard coded like before. Not in the mood to code VB6 anymore... VB6 ruined it, heh. What little motivation I have, I am saving for magic.
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Post by: Pokemon Steve on December 12, 2017, 01:24:36 pm
So you're saying your not willing to do anymore work on rpgwo yet you still won't release the source?
Title: Re: Start a new smaller, more stable, V3 world?
Post by: Greatest on December 12, 2017, 04:46:42 pm
10 levels is sort of crazy though.  I know it is too late this server, but next time around can we get fewer levels and have those levels be more useful(ie first level being around 15-20).
Title: Re: Start a new smaller, more stable, V3 world?
Post by: Jaster_reylu on December 12, 2017, 11:00:41 pm
Noone is forcing u to drink potions.





pony.
Title: Re: Start a new smaller, more stable, V3 world?
Post by: Greatest on December 13, 2017, 04:01:46 pm
Noone is forcing u to drink potions.
no one forces you to make stupid post either, you do it because you like it.  if something is in a game it should be useful, a +5 bonus that takes that much work isn't useful. 
Title: Re: Start a new smaller, more stable, V3 world?
Post by: Pepin on December 13, 2017, 04:15:04 pm
My donger is bigger than your donger
Title: Re: Start a new smaller, more stable, V3 world?
Post by: Zodiak on December 13, 2017, 07:11:12 pm
no one forces you to make stupid post either, you do it because you like it.

How are you going to say his post is stupid when you say something just as stupid..

if something is in a game it should be useful, a +5 bonus that takes that much work isn't useful. 

I think what you mean is to say
"Not worth my time for +5"

That +5 can be the difference between hit/miss or fail/success attempts and straight full on hit or successful attempts.
Title: Re: Start a new smaller, more stable, V3 world?
Post by: Greatest on December 13, 2017, 10:32:56 pm
for the work involved in making that potion you could grind out 5 levels.  as I stated:
if something is in a game it should be useful, a +5 bonus that takes that much work isn't useful. 
if it wasn't so much work involved(less than it takes to grind the same amount of levels on most skills) it might be useful, as it is it isn't.  however I'll concede the point that 5 skill levels can be useful...
Title: Re: Start a new smaller, more stable, V3 world?
Post by: Pepin on December 14, 2017, 06:19:25 pm
#triggered
Title: Re: Start a new smaller, more stable, V3 world?
Post by: Kaios on December 15, 2017, 08:25:09 am
Pepin it's not like you play the game any more so why are you still posting crap here? State something constructive for once or fucк off
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Post by: Pepin on December 15, 2017, 08:41:54 am
Kayos, I logged on the other day.
Kayos for Mod!
Title: Re: Start a new smaller, more stable, V3 world?
Post by: Greatest on December 15, 2017, 03:39:26 pm
Pepin it's not like you play the game any more so why are you still posting crap here? State something constructive for once or fucк off
seems after he failed at playing the game he(and his other account "Kube") took up the hobby of trying to smite everyone deep into the negative.  seems for now, he is only after me, Mickey, and Jaster...who knows how long he'll limit it to us 3 though.
Title: Re: Start a new smaller, more stable, V3 world?
Post by: Pepin on December 15, 2017, 05:06:51 pm
You guys are just salty because you're still obsessed with a game the creator doesn't care about. Maybe people will take the game more serious when Mickey starts caring.

Oh noes forum karma matters. Jaster was already pretty low in karma so I helped out.

PS it wasn't just me   :-*
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Post by: Gimpy on December 15, 2017, 05:47:52 pm
Im not sure witch is stranger, the fact that we still play a game that the creator dosent care about. Or that you still post on forums on a website about a game you dont play anymore.
Title: Re: Start a new smaller, more stable, V3 world?
Post by: mechanical keyboard enthusiast on December 15, 2017, 07:54:13 pm
You guys are just salty because you're still obsessed with a game the creator doesn't care about. Maybe people will take the game more serious when Mickey starts caring.

Oh noes forum karma matters. Jaster was already pretty low in karma so I helped out.

PS it wasn't just me   :-*
Micky has been on every day for hours adding custom events and new features?
Title: Re: Start a new smaller, more stable, V3 world?
Post by: Mickey Kudlo on December 18, 2017, 01:46:10 pm
Not to mention i been coding and contenting for a good 10 months now.... Minus October.
Title: Re: Start a new smaller, more stable, V3 world?
Post by: north star on December 18, 2017, 03:33:26 pm
All that coding is kinda useless when the only server has no admins and is 90% afk's grinding over buffed trade skill fail xp. Also there is a bot on thats been grinding mining xp for the last 2 days. Ask the few people on the server that arent afk if you want more info.
Title: Re: Start a new smaller, more stable, V3 world?
Post by: Pepin on December 18, 2017, 04:48:20 pm
AFKWO
Title: Re: Start a new smaller, more stable, V3 world?
Post by: Greatest on December 18, 2017, 06:22:04 pm
All that coding is kinda useless when the only server has no admins and is 90% afk's grinding over buffed trade skill fail xp.
you know he released the server code right?  you can start your own server if you don't like his.  I don't see how you can say all the work he did coding V3 was useless, it has some really neat new stuff(new magic research window is awesome).
Title: Re: Start a new smaller, more stable, V3 world?
Post by: Pepin on December 18, 2017, 06:24:26 pm
How's his monkey taste?  8)
Title: Re: Start a new smaller, more stable, V3 world?
Post by: north star on December 18, 2017, 07:26:11 pm
The new magic research is good, i agree. But most of the players on the server arent using any of the new stuff hes coded. They are just abusing the over inflated fail xp. The game might aswell be single player at this point. Some people on there already have 2-3 characters grinding skills.
Title: Re: Start a new smaller, more stable, V3 world?
Post by: Greatest on December 18, 2017, 08:39:05 pm
again, he released the server files (http://rpgwo.com/download/server3.zip).  if you don't like his server(which I get, there are a lot of bots/afk trainers) you can run your own...the coding wasn't useless.
Title: Re: Start a new smaller, more stable, V3 world?
Post by: north star on December 19, 2017, 02:54:06 am
A few of us were actually talking about it yesterday. We dont want to have to make a server because the only official one isnt admined or moderated in any way. But we will if we must.
Title: Re: Start a new smaller, more stable, V3 world?
Post by: Jerz92 on December 19, 2017, 08:08:39 am
If by chance a server does open up that isn't full of afk macroers then let me know on here!

I appreciate Mickey's put a lot of work into the new V3 but like myself people are probably gonna find it through the forum, read this thread, and be put right off so it's all a bit pointless really isn't it!?
Title: Re: Start a new smaller, more stable, V3 world?
Post by: Mickey Kudlo on December 20, 2017, 01:16:56 pm
Not sure I have seen so much anger about macroing since... like 16 years ago when I was in full combat mode against it. I coded all sorts of stuff to bring it under control and stop it. Even patrolled the world in secret admin, checking and watching players. But... it all failed. I sadly came to realize that you will never get rid of it. I really don't know what more I can say about it. It sucks. And all the stuff I did just made it harder for non-macro players to play. And if you think commercial games don't have these same problems... think again.

In V6 I decided to embrace it and planned to code scripting into the client. And eventually into the server so you can setup a script for a player and logoff, having the server run the script for the player in world. Basically, setup NPCs kinda. But V6 sort of has a skill cap. Once you hit 100 skill, in a month of normal play, you could do everything in that skill. So really only combat benefitted but that I planned to put a real cap on that kept it balanced. But that was all based on regular wipes every 4-6 months.

OK, so basically, you want an admin on every hour, checking AFK players?

What if I just restart the server once per hour? It still would not stop macroers and it would just annoy real players.

Who wants ice cream?
Title: Re: Start a new smaller, more stable, V3 world?
Post by: north star on December 20, 2017, 02:11:11 pm
What a great mentality from the creator of the game. You can't stop it completely so why bother trying in the first place. Your right. Commercial games do do have the same problem but it doesnt mean they stop trying. The average person doesnt do it because the fear of being caught is always there. Your basically giving people a free pass to do it, publicly. Sends a great message to players new and old.
Title: Re: Start a new smaller, more stable, V3 world?
Post by: mechanical keyboard enthusiast on December 20, 2017, 03:06:10 pm
What a great mentality from the creator of the game. You can't stop it completely so why bother trying in the first place. Your right. Commercial games do do have the same problem but it doesnt mean they stop trying. The average person doesnt do it because the fear of being caught is always there. Your basically giving people a free pass to do it, publicly. Sends a great message to players new and old.

To be fair: he is a software developer type, not a PR or marketing type. Commercial games spend $xxx,xxx to millions every year on it.

That being said I am all for a world with significantly more admin interaction if it means Mickey can add more features and fix bugs without being bothered or harassed, and the admin can handle things like removing unruly players and events.
Title: Re: Start a new smaller, more stable, V3 world?
Post by: Jerz92 on December 21, 2017, 03:26:17 am
I appreciate it is a difficult thing to work around, and it has always been a problem, but "back in the day" it only enumerated to a small percentage of active players macroing which I could overlook as I still had loads of others to interact with.
Now it seems like at least half the players online at any given time are afk macroing, I thought people liked this game because of the sense of community bla bla bla, so what are you doing afk the whole time? All you're doing is competing against other AFK players, whats the point?
You're putting off other players from starting again, so when you're all winging in 3 weeks time that everyone's stopped playing then have a good long think.  :)